Teh Librul Media
Nov. 12th, 2010 11:52 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
jameydeeYou should really download the free podcast of last night’s Rachel Maddow Show when she had Jon Stewart on. The whole hour was the two of them, one-on-one. (11/11 show, you can watch the uncut interview on maddowblog.msnbc.com or download the show from iTunes)
I have to admit, it kinda took the shine off my liking for Jon, least of which was his defense of torture. His insistence that Fox is "ideological" but not "partisan" is a nuance without distinction. Particularly when, in the next hour, "Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell", it was shown how Fox was propagating the lie that Obama's trip to India was costing $200 million a day across multiple shows and sourcing "the internet" for the figure. (Even high school students don't get away with that kind of sloppy research.) MSNBC may come with a point of view, but it is a view based on objective facts. To conflate what Fox does with what MSNBC does is intellectually dishonest. How is another point of view supposed to combat the screaming on the Right when only one side actually tries to use their "indoor voice?"
It is telling that here Jon is, having a civil, spirited, good-natured discussion with someone who disagrees with him, and THEY ARE BOTH FROM THE SAME SIDE BECAUSE NO ONE ON THE RIGHT WOULD EVER BE WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE THIS SAME KIND OF DISCUSSION. It's a problem. What's the use of the progressives moderating their voices when they are the only ones who do? Only liberals engage in the circular firing squad. Conservatives at least point their guns in the same directions.
Sorry for the soapbox.
I have to admit, it kinda took the shine off my liking for Jon, least of which was his defense of torture. His insistence that Fox is "ideological" but not "partisan" is a nuance without distinction. Particularly when, in the next hour, "Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell", it was shown how Fox was propagating the lie that Obama's trip to India was costing $200 million a day across multiple shows and sourcing "the internet" for the figure. (Even high school students don't get away with that kind of sloppy research.) MSNBC may come with a point of view, but it is a view based on objective facts. To conflate what Fox does with what MSNBC does is intellectually dishonest. How is another point of view supposed to combat the screaming on the Right when only one side actually tries to use their "indoor voice?"
It is telling that here Jon is, having a civil, spirited, good-natured discussion with someone who disagrees with him, and THEY ARE BOTH FROM THE SAME SIDE BECAUSE NO ONE ON THE RIGHT WOULD EVER BE WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE THIS SAME KIND OF DISCUSSION. It's a problem. What's the use of the progressives moderating their voices when they are the only ones who do? Only liberals engage in the circular firing squad. Conservatives at least point their guns in the same directions.
Sorry for the soapbox.
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Date: 2010-11-13 03:39 am (UTC)Such as now:[soapbox]
It's not liberalism; it's ideology, agenda and motive, as I see it. I know a few liberals and conservatives in my own life I'd love to flog about the mast at least once per week, and it's not because they're liberal or conservative. It's because they won't listen, and insist on using their outside voices almost exclusively.
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Date: 2010-11-21 12:09 am (UTC)I at least admire the spine the Dems are showing in the past week. Too often they wasted their time trying to court GOP votes, giving them compromises, and then not getting the votes anyway. You know, the right doesn't play fair, they never will play fair, and they're going to lie and slander and spread the worst kind of hateful bullshit about Obama and the Democrats REGARDLESS of what they do. So, y'know, fuck them.